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  Memorial experiences 2005 thread

  by Jez in

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  lets put all of our memorial stories/thoughts on one thread.

  mine: 45 mins.

  quick and boring.

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  The Leological One

  I posted this already in the thread about the WT's arrogance, but it might fit better here:

  I went to the Memorial service last night with my DF'd JW wife. Many of the people were surely nice enough, and maybe only a couple were somewhat openly rude to my wife via the way they looked at her. The service message did deal with Jesus but mainly was focused on explaining how the 144,000 are supposed to be the only partakers of the emblems.

  It was tough sitting there hearing their misinterpretations and not openly refuting the claims to my wife (such as how they say the little flock Jesus talked about - His disciples - were actually the 144k and then stating some other key verses were specific to the 144k even though there was no mention at all in the scriptures cited that the 144k were being discussed, and also how doing the communion as often as you will actually means as often as you do it once a year, it's more special when only once a year vs. every week or whatever, etc..), but I respected the people and their event. I did talk too much after the service, but my wife finally got interested enough to start reading about all the WT prophecies late last night and was pretty surprised to see how the early WT views sharply contrast with modern ones. She's going to want to see actual books cited, though, before she'll likely trust what she's reading; maybe she can get some scans?

  Anyway, I was glad they talked about Jesus and that He was in they lyrics of some songs, but the main message just seemed to be that most JW's aren't annointed rather than Jesus is our worthy sacrifice, and it was strange for me to pass the emblems past myself as well as watch everyone else do the same; it felt like some sort of cult ritual or something -- very strange, even though I've passed taking the emblems in my own church a few times back in the day when I felt I was really heavy into sin and especially far away from God. I respect the JW's (most of them, anyway) but just can't get how they could read the Bible and come up with some of the understandings they have. The hall we went to was packed as well as having extra chairs going out into the lobby area, but that same uncomfortable silence while the emblems were being passed out was present there, too.
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  help - dating a married JW

  by outofthere73 in

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  i have been a reading these message boards for almost a year and have been thankful for the information i have read.

  i have been dating a man for almost 3 years when i discovered last year he was a jw.

  i have been trying to understand what this was all about - can't even begin to get a handle one how odd it can all be.

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  The Leological One

  I like all the advice I've seen so far. Jeaniebeanz is right, too; if the guy's wife couldn't trust him and he let her down, I'd pretty much suspect it'd be the same for he and you, even likely on only a friendship basis. Also, I'd think it'd be impossible to just be "friends" with him at this point after his wife finding out what's been going on, etc... he likely wouldn't be able to leave the front door without his wife knowing every single inch of distance where the man is going and how long he'll be there, etc...

  You sound like a decent person, and you not knowing he was married up until now means he was being dishonest with you, probabaly knowing it'd be harder to get involved with someone that knew he was married. He may have some emotional issues right now; I don't know if that's always been the case and likely not a worthy excuse, but probably most anybody would be emotionally a mess if they were on the brink all of a sudden of losing their family due to being DF'd, so it might be more of an "acute" situation rather than that is his normal personality, meaning it's likely he was in full charge of his mental capacities when he made the decision to get involved with someone else as well as not revealing some major facets of his life, i.e. his marital status.

  I know it may be hard at the moment because you really care and were involved with him intimately, but I feel you could do much better and find an honest guy that's also not trapped into likely trying to stay a JW and possibly doing a lot more to "prove" he's a good JW and repentant, spending more time at meetings and so forth.

  I wish you well, and I wish the best for him (for getting his act together and being honest and responsible as well as for his mental health) and his family.
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  UNBELIEVABLE WT ARROGANCE please help.

  by yesidid in

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  really their egotism knows no bounds.

  the text for the memorial day is:.

  who really is the faithful and discreet slave?

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  The Leological One

  I went to the Memorial service last night with my DF'd JW wife. Many of the people were surely nice enough, and maybe only a couple were somewhat openly rude to my wife via the way they looked at her. The service message did deal with Jesus but mainly was focused on explaining how the 144,000 are supposed to be the only partakers of the emblems.

  It was tough sitting there hearing their misinterpretations and not openly refuting the claims to my wife (such as how they say the little flock Jesus talked about - His disciples - were actually the 144k and then stating some other key verses were specific to the 144k even though there was no mention at all in the scriptures cited that the 144k were being discussed, and also how doing the communion as often as you will actually means as often as you do it once a year, it's more special when only once a year vs. every week or whatever, etc..), but I respected the people and their event. I did talk too much after the service, but my wife finally got interested enough to start reading about all the WT prophecies late last night and was pretty surprised to see how the early WT views sharply contrast with modern ones. She's going to want to see actual books cited, though, before she'll likely trust what she's reading; maybe she can get some scans?

  Anyway, I was glad they talked about Jesus and that He was in they lyrics of some songs, but the main message just seemed to be that most JW's aren't annointed rather than Jesus is our worthy sacrifice, and it was strange for me to pass the emblems past myself as well as watch everyone else do the same; it felt like some sort of cult ritual or something -- very strange, even though I've passed taking the emblems in my own church a few times back in the day when I felt I was really heavy into sin and especially far away from God. I respect the JW's (most of them, anyway) but just can't get how they could read the Bible and come up with some of the understandings they have.
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  WATCHMAN IS DISFELLOWSHIPPED UNDER NEW POLICY/NEW BOOK!!!

  by bjc2read in

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  watchman, as many know from reformer websites such as (1) e-watchman.com and (2) e-jehovahs-witnesses.com discussion board, has been officially disfellowshipped from all congregations of jehovah's witnesses!.

  here is the link to the sudden change in status for him: .

  http://www.e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/viewtopic.php?p=41406&sid=196154f73a3336c977fb1315fb5183e4#41406.

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  The Leological One

  Schism:

  You're avatar tells it like it is, Cygnus:

  He may have his reasons, but I wonder if his reasons are more with the WT sucking, making him feel all of Christendom is like that. What is your personal experience regarding Christianity, and preferably your own deep experience, that makes you agree? Are you a loyal JW? Could it be that all your knowledge is that of what you've heard mentioned by the WT?

  I can't fault anybody for their own views, but I'm just curious of yours in that you're expressing your feelings about the website host that got what may've been rightfully coming to him, but you sound like someone who may just be critical of anything the WT itself is critical of, which seems truly borg-like, though I'm definitely not trying to come off as insulting or trying to take sides in whatever esle is going on but more just wondering if your motives are merely those of the WT or your own individualistic thinking such as possibly Cygnus himself is conveying.
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  If you could give me "only one" reason why not to be in the truth..........

  by ButtLight in

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  what would it be?

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  The Leological One

  This is it for me. Believe what you want, tell me your opinions, I may even adopt them. But don't try to control me with scare tactics ala disfellowshipping, reproving, marking, labelling ("weak", "selfish", "apostate"). If they'd drop the controlling aspect of things, they would only be very bad, instead of horrible.

  Dave

  + 1~!
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  If you could give me "only one" reason why not to be in the truth..........

  by ButtLight in

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  what would it be?

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  The Leological One

  I'm with everyone else. It's not the truth. I cringe every time someone calls it "the truth".

  Kwin

  Maybe someday there will be a new addition in each popular dictionary under "truth":

  "For Jehovah's Witnesses: the truth is whatever the Watchtower organization says is truth and may change and even flip-flop at any given time..."
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  If you could give me "only one" reason why not to be in the truth..........

  by ButtLight in

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  what would it be?

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  The Leological One

  Candidly:

  "Conditional love"

  Whoah~! Good point~!
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  Been searching scriptures for "salvation"

  by jaffacake in

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  i?ve been given a nwt bible, but don't understand how jws believe as they do.

  why does the ?bible topics for discussion?

  include some issues, eg celebrating birthdays, that seem less important compared with the question of how to attain salvation.

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  The Leological One

  Hi Jaffacake,

  So I guess my next question is what do we mean by "believing"?

  Where does it say that not all who say Lord, Lord will be saved (or something like that).

  I'm about to have to get off the computer at work in a few and don't have a Bible or time to look up scriptures at www.blueletterbible.org right now, but just going off my thoughts on the last verse you're referring to, I think the verse is more stating that not everyone who "calls" on the name of the Lord, possibly claiming to be Christians/saved will be saved. I really recommend going to the website I linked and typing in lord and saved in the concordance search to get the verse and then reading that verse in context with the others before and after it (maybe even the chapter before/after it) to see if it helps give more clear meaning to it. I feel the difference is that those that are saved legitimately "believe" in their hearts that Jesus is the son of God and came to die for our sins, taking on our sins as our perfect sacrifice... this vs. people just thinking it sounds like a good idea and not fully accepting/believing it.

  I have mixed feelings about "once saved, always saved" in that there are scriptures that refer to people turning back towards the world. Of course, it could be said that maybe they never were truly saved to start with, but I don't know. I feel that when one is saved, that person will strive to live a different life (though agree that only the perfection of the life Jesus lived and His sacrifice is the only way to be saved), getting forgiveness of sins if we confess our sins and actually have a repentant heart. I believe there are times in probably almost every believer's life where they may not feel saved or that they're truly repentant for something, but then time goes on, and I feel most Christians strive to get back to where they feel they are supposed to be spiritually. I feel some don't, though, and fall headlong back into worldly living, and even if I can't say there's no such thing as once saved, always saved, I feel that's a dangerous place to be (and have been there seemingly a few times myself, unfortunately, though always regretting and striving to get back to where I feel I belong).
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  From Dante's Inferno To Jehovah's Jacuzzi:

  by Englishman in

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  on which level of hell will you finish up?.

  http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv.

  oh, btw, the jehovah's jacuzzi thing was intentionally misleading.

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  The Leological One

  Now that's a funny thread title~!

  I may not have enough time to look at the link and check other posts I've been looking for before I have to get to work and so will have to come back to the thread and check it later; sounds interesting~!
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  Why no long hair ?

  by A Paduan in

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  christendom has jesus with long hair - from the start i believe

  so why no long hair - is it simply because of a literal reading of paul ?

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  The Leological One

  Re: Landover Baptist -- What the h*ll was that~!?! I don't quite remember the baptist church I attended as a child being anything like that~!!!